Do you need advice? Inspiration? Support?

[Lori]

If you are just starting a home business and have any questions or just want to share... please feel free to post here.

We would love to help you!

[mom2my4kids]

Oh Yes, I got a question. I just started working from home and it requires talkin to people over the phone. How is the world do you get over being nervous? I don't know why I am. Guess it is because I feel if I say the wrong thing to them they will hang up on me. LOL!!! Have had that to happen a couple of time. I've been told to find my Comfort Zone. Haven't really found that yet but I am getting excited like when I talk. For instance Hey this is Becky, is so and so available. Then when they ask ? I just get nevous. Any ideas?
Thanks Becky

[Audrey]

Keep doing it. Being nervous when doing something new is normal. When you learned to ride a bike, or drive a car, you were both excited and nervous. When you became a mom for the first time, again excitement and nervousness. The more you talk to strangers, the easier and more comfortable it becomes.

I've been hung up on by folks who have emailed me and asked me to call them LOL. I think anyone in sales has been hung up on.

[mom2my4kids]

Thanks for the advice. Guess I just feel guilty b/c they don't give you the time to explain it to them. I don't want them to miss out on what might bea good decision for them and their family.

[Lori]

Some people aren't cut out for selling. Especially via phone. Give it some time and see if it gets better. You might want to check out Ari Galpers, Unlock The Game (http://www.unlockthegame.com). I'm pretty sure he still does a free newsletter if you can't afford his course.

Good luck!

[mom2my4kids]

Thanks. I don't do any selling

[Audrey]

Thanks. I don't do any selling

This might be one of the problems you are having. Of course you sell.

1. you sell the business opportunity
2. you sell folks on going on autoship
3. you sell folks on the Melaleuca name
4. you sell folks on trynig the products
5. you sell folks on joining the company
6. you sell folks on the benefits of your products

If you are turning down great resources because you believe you don't sell, then truly things might never improve for you.

[lisamommy]

I am with that Wellness Co. that we are not suppose to actually advertise their name until we make initial contact with them. So I have sort of cut all ties with my team. I did not like the way they were training us to approach friends, family, and every single person that comes within 2 feet of you. Not everyone wants to be in this business and I don't think we should have to bug everyone that doesn't ask. Buying leads and cold calling is another task that seemed unethical and most were not truly serious on the other end. So I still love the wellness company and their products and would like to continue helping others work at home and become customers.
The problem is now that I am not getting support from my mentor, or working with the team anymore, I am pretty much on my own. I need advice on how to become a mentor and train others a better way. How can I help others succeed in this business honestly and not feel like they are doing unethical things.

[Audrey]

Lisa,

You can't get help anywhere upline? I see a few choices:

1. walk away for 6 months and then sign up under someone else
2. contact the company and find out if there is ANYONE upline from you that can support you/your business
3. learn all you can about marketing and then share that with those on your team.

[mom2my4kids]

This might be one of the problems you are having. Of course you sell.

1. you sell the business opportunity
2. you sell folks on going on autoship
3. you sell folks on the Melaleuca name
4. you sell folks on trynig the products
5. you sell folks on joining the company
6. you sell folks on the benefits of your products

If you are turning down great resources because you believe you don't sell, then truly things might never improve for you.

Lisa, Thanks I never really looked at it like that. But I'm doing all those above.
Becky

[LifeofEgypt]

It is proven that phone contact greatly increases the chances of signing a prospect. If you continue to make calls, it will become much easier. If you aim to be a heavy hitter, use the phone. The practice of phone calls also rubs off on your face to face approaches.

[livingtoxinfree]

does anyone recommend a good lead company?

[Audrey]

erinsleads.com

She spent 7 years with Melaleuca and so her leads are geared to women working with one of the many teams there.

[athome]

:thumb: Thanks Audrey!!

[katiabaer]

I am with that Wellness Co. that we are not suppose to actually advertise their name until we make initial contact with them. So I have sort of cut all ties with my team. I did not like the way they were training us to approach friends, family, and every single person that comes within 2 feet of you. Not everyone wants to be in this business and I don't think we should have to bug everyone that doesn't ask. Buying leads and cold calling is another task that seemed unethical and most were not truly serious on the other end. So I still love the wellness company and their products and would like to continue helping others work at home and become customers.
The problem is now that I am not getting support from my mentor, or working with the team anymore, I am pretty much on my own. I need advice on how to become a mentor and train others a better way. How can I help others succeed in this business honestly and not feel like they are doing unethical things.
Hi ,there, I am in the same situation.
I am with a company that makes a health drink MonaVie (http://www.dishproinc.com)
I don't want to harass anyone, just like you, so I found that the only way to find prospects is to have an affiliate program of some sort.
There is a great Ebook I can recommend "7 Great Lies About Network Marketing". Check it out it is Free Just Click Here! (http://katiabaer.the7greatliesofnetworkmarketing.com/freelancem.html)
You can Download it for free!
Let me know if you have any luck with your product. It would be great to keep in touch.
Since we are in the same situation.
Good Luck, Kate.

[livingtoxinfree]

Hello. I believe you should never have to feel like you are forcing yourself on people. Make sure your company is customer orientated and not business. Customers should come first in product based businesses because even though you need business reps you do need customers more. The cumstomer should come first and then it will all fall into place. I have tried both ways and this works much better. Good Luck

[robin123]

Find a company that is family oriented and get all the training you can and DUPLICATE the things the most successful people in the company are doing.
When you get customers.. TAKE CARE OF THEM! They are your livelyhood!

:thumb:

[Lori]

Well I called and I would have to walk away for 2 years because I already became a director. Everyone in my upline is from the same team and trains in the same way. So yes #3 is what I have been working on. Already bought a great marketing book called Magnetic Sponsoring and have some awesome tips on how to market without doing all those things that have been tought. If anyone wants to learn more about the book they can go to Magnetic Sponsoring Here. (http://www.betterbiz.magneticsponsoringonline.com)
Lisa

One of the advantages that I see of going out on your own is the ability to design and maintain your own website. You can really educate women on marketing methods, search engine optimization etc... and get far more traffic coming to your website then you will ever get from one of the team template sites.

[vjnes]

Hi Lori,

I'm new to the forum. I've purchased 2 wonderful Virtual Assistant books from Amazaon, the VA's guide to marketing and VA, the series.

I'm still unsure about pricing. I would charge $250 for 10 hours for repeat clients and $25 for an hourly rate. Somehow, i'm unsure of myself. I don't want to overcharge the customer or undercharge myself. I'm located in the MD area.

Could you please tell me if that is a good rate?? I'm still doing research, i have even printed up business cards and have created flyers.

I'm going to build my own website, but through Microsoft Publisher. Would this be a good idea for just starting out? I'm also enrolling with Penn Foster for a webdesign course as well. I would like to only offer data entry, internet research and academic typing for now since I'm currently working.

I would greatly appreciate any advice you may have for me. I just want to be certain that I'm starting off on the right foot.

Thank you!!!

[Lori]

Hi vjnes,

Your rate is a reasonable going rate for VA's.

You may find that it's difficult to get your first clients at that rate though. Especially if you are bidding for work on Freelance Job Boards.

It's very difficult to price yourself competitively and at the same time honor what you feel your time is worth. You might want to consider a breakdown of tasks and rates.

An example might be:

Graphic design, Search engine optimization, database work - $40/hour

Internet Research - $20/hour

Customer Support and general admin - $15/hour

etc.

Don't short change yourself - but take certain factors into account. If you're bidding on a data entry job on elance for example -- you will be competing with overseas providers. That means you are up against $5/hour bids and the providers will have a ton of feedback. In that instance your leverage might be that you are U.S. based - but most people won't choose a $25/hour data entry bid when they are looking at much cheaper bids. Try to come below the highest bid and above the lowest.

On the other hand - if it's a local company you can generally bid a bit higher. Especially if you can stress the savings they achieve by outsourcing the work.

All that said -- it's rare that I accept work for under $25/hour these days and have steady clients paying as much as $50/hour. The more clients you have the safer you'll feel about raising your rates.

Microsoft Publisher is okay for building websites -- but they can be a little bit clunky and graphic intensive. They also don't work for search engine optimization so don't expect to achieve high search engine rankings if you use it... that said, I haven't used it in years so they may have improved it for web design.

For a 'business card' site. In other words - just somewhere to send your prospective clients - it should be fine to start out.

There are some good sitebuilders out there too that you might want to check out. They generally have the same SEO challenges though.

I hope that is helpful - don't hesitate to ask more questions and please stick around and share your progress and success!

Lori

[vjnes]

Hi Lori,

Thank you very much for replying. I knew something wasn't quite right. I feel comfortable with that because I feel I'm worth what I had wanted to charge, but you make a valid point with the competition and overseas VA's. I like the breakdowns you spoke about for each service.

Now what of a retainer fee? Would I go by those rates if I came across repeat clients who blocked off my time for 10 hrs or so per month??

Thank you : )

[Doug_Close]

Oh Yes, II just started working from home and it requires talkin to people over the phone. How is the world do you get over being nervous?


You never really do. Even pro atheletes, actors, musicians still get nervous on the big stage. You just have to dive in headfirst and keep at it. Like everything else in life - time heals all wounds.

but if it's a serious problem - do some serious thinking about what you do for a living. Maybe you shouldn't be in sales. Maybe find a way to market without phone calling. Use a call center (or create one). Most MLM's (if you are in one) are designed around newbies just finding a few people to get going. (like Kevin Bacons' 6 degrees of separation...). Then you really only need to talk to people you know....

Doug

[Doug_Close]

Thanks. I don't do any selling

Have you ever applied for a job? YOu sold yourself.

Do you have a husband? You sold yourself.

Everyone sells everyday, doesnt' have to be a "product".

doug

[Lori]

I did some freelance work for Ari Galper in the past. His program might be of interest to some of you who are into sales but have some reservations. Check him out at http://www.unlockthegame.com.

Best,

Lori

[Debbi]

I hate talking on the phone, but I've found that I hate the 'putting it off' phase worse...you know, the time when you stress out about calling before you finally just do it? that is horrible!

and I think the best thing you can do on the phone is be 'real'. Offer your product/services, explain the benefits, let them decide. Follow up again a few times and then don't beat yourself up. Life is meant to be enjoyed, not spent beating yourself up over closing a deal.

:thumb:

[Jillsescape]

I used to sell PartyLite which means I had to get on the phone and make calls. I hated it! I made myself a script, and I sort of got used to it, but I never looked forward to making the calls. I eventually gave it up because it never fit me totally. I got into an online OPP at the beginning of this year, but again it entailed calling people and I just couldn't do it. Now I am involved in something that you don't have to call a single person, and that's great for ME. If you really believe in your product/program, then practice and perseverance will eventually win out and you will become great at what you do. Practice will overcome your fear. BUT, if fear always wins, then maybe this may not be the right thing for you? Only you can decide. It's a toughie! Good luck!

[pplprincess]

I read through this thread and there is alot of very usefull advice but I feel like there are a few things that should be said that haven't been.

In no particular order;

It is very important to stay in touch with your team. Wether or not you do things the way they do or not, the system whatever the system may be is there because it has been proven to work for that company.

In saying that, if you feel the company you are working for is not ethical you should get out. Not for 6 weeks, 6 months, or 6 years... for good. Noone should work with/ for a company that goes against their "gut". You won't sell whatever it is you are there to sell. So you won't make money, the people you recruit won't get hype and you will in the long time waist your time.

Next, the reason why the companies want you to talk to the people you know first is two fold. First, you are more comfortable with the people you know so even if you just use those people as practice you will be better equiped when talking to complete strangers. Second, the people you are more comfortable with are also comfortable with you. Which means that they will not only listen to the entire presentation but they will most likely trust your judgement.

And example of this, when I first got into the business I am in, I went and talked to my parents and my close family. Most of them said no thanks at first. After they saw that I was sticking with this company they wound up not only getting the service but also becoming associates. Now, my father and step mom are in the midst of signing up their entire church. So I will have helped over 60 people that I would not have been able to help if I hadn't gone through my parents to do so.

As far as approaching every single person that comes in contact with you. I don't think that is why. Personally I like to qualify everyone I meet. I don't hassle them or give them a brochure etc at first. But, I do ask key questions whenever I meet someone.

1. Do they have kids?
2. Are they single parents?
3. In college?
4. Retiring?
5. Like their current jobs
6. Own their own home/ car
7. Getting married/ divorced.
8. Have 5-10 hours a week
9. Have a little bit of money to invest
10. Interested in making money
11. Motivated

In the business I am into these questions are all important. Different questions for different businesses but most of these are questions you would want to use when qualifying anyone.

I also, talk to people. Get to know the people you meet. The more you talk to them about themselves the more they will want to know about you. That is where talking to them about what you do comes into play.

Blah blah blah, do you have kids? Or really so do I.
Blah blah blah, bring into conversation the things that will lead to the answers of the above questions. They will qualify themselves without ever having felt being sold at all.

Make them ask! Tell them you work from home and LOVE IT! They will say something like, really? What do you do? How do you like it?

OR... Oh that's nice.

(If they say that's nice then keep talking to see if they qualify but if they ask you what you do then tell them!)

The thing is that you don't know who the people you know, know. Unless you dig in there and find out.

Women are so much better at talking to people then men. It is the gift of gab. So, just talk to people. Don't feel like you have to sell them on the first conversation. Most people take 4 or more follow ups/ exposures anyhow. So, take your time.

As for leads, there are some lead companies that will only give you leads to people who have asked specificly about your product. So, you don't have to feel that is unethical. If a person wants to know... you should be the one to tell them all about it. Don't you think?

The most important thing though, if it doesn't feel good don't do it!.

I know that I am new to the forum but if any of you has any questions or needs help, feel free to email me and I will do what I can to help you with whatever the issue may be.

Liz~


P.S. For leads I use goedleads.com

[sum1smommy]

Hi, Newbie here.
I am a former elementary school teacher at home with my two year old son, Harrison. Like everyone else here, I need to supplement income and feel that I am actually contributing in a monetary way.

I am so tired of being scammed just because I need to work from home! I am sure I am not alone. I will not sell, phone call, throw parties, beg my family and friends to buy things from me...not that there's anything wrong with that. It just isn't for me and I am not good at any of it!

I finally, well at least I think I have, found what I may want to do. I have been researching starting a resume business from home...writing resumes and cover letters, etc. I just bought an ebook from Teena Rose and now I feel totally overwhelmed and once again discouraged. Is there anyone out there(here) who may know how to do this, get this started. I greatly appreciate in advance ANY advice and mentoring.

God Bless,
Renee Davis
FLORIDA:crybaby:

[pplprincess]

This site looks like it could be helpful:

If you are looking for a writing business that you can start part-time and on a shoestring budget, setting up a resume writing service of your own might be just the ticket for financing more creative or lucrative freelance pursuits.

http://www.homebiztools.com/ideas/resume_writing.htm

Liz

P.S. Keep in mind that even with this kind of business you will have to SELL your services. Marketing is very important no matter how needed the product is.

Wether you think you can or you think you can't you are right.

[lisamommy]

I have already been asked about advertising from my site. Wondering for others that want to advertise on my site, how much do I charge them, what is the average for a new site to charge.
My advertising a also a bit different, I will advertise the company under either my shopping area or business opportunities section. But for the shopping area it will not just be a link or banner. When people click on the link it will tell them about the company, what they offer and more, before they go to the store. So it is quite an advertisement for that company.
Just not sure what to charge, for how long, etc. Very unfamiliar in this territory.
LISA
www.naturaluses.com

[flamingdreams]

mom2my4kids,
I am so with you on this, this is an obstical I am trying to overcome myself. I don't understand why its so difficult for me to call people either, I'm like you, I feel like they are going to hang up on me when I have a great opportunity for them. But then I ask myself "Why do I care if they hang up on me?" Its thier loss and someone else is going to want to listen and when they do, they will like what they hear. I guess what we need to do is JUST DO IT! I'm a shy person, always have been and I got into marketing to hopefully get over that and learn something new and hopefully make some friends along the way and some money. Its been a struggle, but I've only been in this for 4 months, and I'm going to keep at it, I will keep you posted on what happpens and let us know if you get over your fear too. Maybe we can help each other.

[lisamommy]

I am with that Wellness Co. that we are not suppose to actually advertise their name until we make initial contact with them. So I have sort of cut all ties with my team. I did not like the way they were training us to approach friends, family, and every single person that comes within 2 feet of you......

OK everyone, I finally left Melaleuca yesterday. What a relief, like a load has been lifted off my back. Believe me I tried it all before leaving this company, but my main problem was some of the rules and ways of doing things I didn't believe in.
I have started my own site and still working on the power mall program which I strongly believe in. I am going to join another wellness company at the beginning of September and I have researched them very carefully.

[MaryAnn]

Congratualations Lisa - its awful to be in a situation that you know isn't a good fit and yet you don't really want to to give it up. When you use words like "relief" and "weight off you", then you know you've made the right decision.

I wish you much luck and success in your new venture!! BTW - Is the link to the *nature* site in your signature line the new company or the old Mela site?

[Audrey]

I have to agree with MaryAnn here. I do wish you success in your new venture.

[lisamommy]

BTW - Is the link to the *nature* site in your signature line the new company or the old Mela site?

Actually in my signature, it's the website I have created. THis is not my new Marketing company I will be with, but I will post my new business on this site in about a week when I get started, it is with Shaklee. Anyone know good or bad about this company. I actually have a pretty great thing I am going to join through. The individual I am going to join through is a Radio Station DJ and he has commercials going in many different states, that is where I found him, listening to one of his commercials. He gets so many leads, that he passes them onto his downline, sometimes 700+ a day. So we will see if it pans out, I have 30 days to get my money back if I don't see things going the way I want to. Hopefully I won't have to though.

[Audrey]

Lisa,

Shaklee has a great reputation. They are an old established company with a super product.

Are you CERTAIN that after joining this guy will share his leads with you? Will you have to qualify? Will you have to buy them? It's a great company, just make sure you know the "rules" of the person you are joining.

[Andrew M]

The problem with about 98% of people that start a home based business is that they don't know how to market. This is not your fault because your upline doesn't even know how to do it. There are specific things to do and what your upline teaches you is completely wrong. Hint- stop trying to market your primary business. The last thing people want to hear is another pitch because we are bombarded with this all the time.

I hope this sheds some light on a very high priority subject.

Andrew M

[Audrey]

Andrew,

Welcome to the forum. Perhpas you can share 3 marketing tips with us?

[tam2005]

Hi there Andrew,

Welcome to the forum. Great to have you! :)
Looking forward to your posts.

And Lisa...I wish you success in your new venture! :D

[Lori]

Hi Lisa --

Good for you - I hope the switch is the right one for you. Let us know how it goes. :thumb:

Lori

[Andrew M]

Andrew,

Welcome to the forum. Perhpas you can share 3 marketing tips with us?

I would be glad to.

1)start a blog if you don't have one yet. Write about yourself, success and failures in your own human voice. No hype or false claims. Post about the industry (good and bad). The list goes on and on. If you're not blogging yet you are missing the boat.

2)Don't push your opportunity on people. Don't believe what your upline is telling you. For the most part it is BS. There is a secret as to why the top 3% of network marketing gurus make all the big money. It's not in the companies great product (although you should always be with a company that has great products)and it's not the tools that the company produces.

3) It's all about marketing. Here is the problem. People that get involved with a network marketing business are your average every day people (80% women) and many are very intelligent but the problem is that 95% of networkers have no knowledge of MARKETING. When they get involved they are told to make a list of everyone they know in their warm market 100-200 names and then start calling them with very little training. They fail at calling and end up quitting or just start buying products and then start bad mouthing the industry. This is not their fault though. The lack of training is horrific old school principles that don't work anymore.

Remember this is all about marketing and marketing YOU. I can't post directly on here but my sig file will lead you to a free tid-bit for you.

I hope you don't mind a male here at the forum. It is a good place get info and share with women because they do make up 80% of network marketers.

To your success,
Andrew Murphy

[Audrey]

Andrew,

Thank you for sharing those. Blog didn't exist 10 years ago. Today, they are one of the hottest things out there.

Again, thanks for sharing.

[tam2005]

Hey Andrew,

Thank you for sharing your advice there. :)

It is true, blogs are all the rage now on the net.

I hope you don't mind a male here at the forum.

Oh my goodness, don't be silly! You are more than welcome here. :D

The more males here on the forum, the merrier!
:thumb:

[Office Goddess]

Aaaargh - marketing! I am learning by doing! Since I am a Virtual Assistant, I haunt the VA forums looking for marketing advice and finding LOTS of good advice and suggestions. (Check www.virtualassistantforum.com for some really good ideas). I have also posted free ads on:

Adland Pro - http://www.adlandpro.com
Craigs List
Epage Ads - http://epage.com
InetGiant - http://www.inetgiant.com
Kijiji - http://boulder.kijiji.com/
ListSomething -
Local.com - http://advertise.local.com
MediaMage - http://www.mediamage.com
Merchant Circle - https://www.merchantcircle.com
Newspaper Classifieds - http://newspaperclassifieds.adpost.com/us/employment/?add_item_button=on
Postaroo - www.postaroo.com
SuperPages.com - http://advertising.superpages.com
Yellow Pages - http://ypc1.yellowpages.com

In addition, I googled for local networking groups and found several in town that are no cost (other than drinks/appetizers) and have found lots of leads that way. It also helped me to get more comfortable dealing with strangers because I was able to find SOMETHING in common with all of them - whether it be kids, neighborhoods, age, etc.

Just my .02 worth!

[Audrey]

Lily,

Thanks for posting those links. I did submit ads to a few of them.

[Geoffrey]

I want to share this note first. I had a boss once, B2B sales, that told me to go in the back door of the business and find someone to talk to. After being thrown out a few times I told them what to do with that idea. I don't like that and neither did the customers. If I can't be upfront with people then I can promote the product.

I learned in phone sales to do a couple of things. One, have a mirror in front of me while on the phone. I want to be smiling or at least have a pleasant face while I'm talking. People can tell if your are smiling over the phone. They can sense it in your voice. Also "stand up" while your on the phone. Don't sit until you have the persons attention. You'll know if they are listening when they begin asking relevant questions.

Also, most people don't want to be "sold" anything. They want to buy from you. But only if they trust you. How can they trust you? By developing a relationship. It's very important for you to get to know your customers so they feel more comfortable taking your call.

And the more you make calls the more comfortable you will be in making a presentation. Practice the opening line in your mind with your eyes closed.
Don't say it too fast or they will miss the key words.

Remember, sales if often a numbers game. The more calls you make the closer you are to making a sale.

Finally, if you don't want sore knuckles...don't knock on doors. Some people will hang up on you. Don't let it bother you. Move on to the next call.

I hope that helps as you get started. Sales is a wonderful occupation with the right products and services.

Geoffrey

[reylene]

I agree. Those are all selling points. I've been with Melaleuca for 6yrs now and love their products. Never did any good on the selling. I believe there are those who are cut out for this type of business and then there are those who aren't. Not saying that you aren't. lol. I hated cold calling and bugging my friends. I like doing simple jobs. Anyways good luck. There are great books out on the market, but it's too late for me to think of any right now.

Sharon

[Charlie]

Hi Andrew,

I am new here and male also, and my core business is to help woman who are forced to stay at home to also stand on her own feet as well. Hope to make great friends here!

Regards,

[workathome]

I wanted to know which is the best and cheapest payment processor...i earn around $500-1000 every month via internet and am looking for a good payment processor to withdraw this money.

Any advices??

[Lori]

I learned in phone sales to do a couple of things. One, have a mirror in front of me while on the phone. I want to be smiling or at least have a pleasant face while I'm talking. People can tell if your are smiling over the phone. They can sense it in your voice. Also "stand up" while your on the phone. Don't sit until you have the persons attention. You'll know if they are listening when they begin asking relevant questions.

Terrific advice!

[globalstick]

I will be professional soon. I built my new website and quoted for many purchasers. But it is not easy to get order. Sometimes they even don't reply. Should I wait? I don't think it's a good method.

[nicolerenae]

I got nervous with other opportunties ive done in the past, but my new business isnt really selling. its more just letting them know im a real person since our website does most of the work for me.. but just keep doing it! It will get easier!

[angelwithdreams]

Hi MOMs....
i am a 45 yr old single mom of 14 children...ya you read that right...i am not the norm of society......i have my 2 youngest with me...i am recently divorced....i forwent a higher education to stay home for 25 years to raise my kids....i also have NO job skills because of this :( ...so i am very limited in how i can earn an income........i want to work from home to be with my kids as well as i battle hypoglycemia symptoms ......i am sooooo confused on what to look for....i sold Tupperware and Melealucca ..and soy candles...and i could not make a living....I HATE selling......
i homeschooled my kids for 12 years so i do have.....this type of skills.....i love researching on the internet......i want to write...yet have no formal writing education......i would like to freelance....but do not know much about this.....i came accross a site called National Association of Home Based Secretaries.....does anyone know if this is a scam of can i make realistic money doing this....i would not mind filling in data....or typing...or clerical stuff....i believe i have the skills would just need to brush up on skills.....i am interested in Virtual Assisstant work...but seems i am lacking in the skills.....how do i train myself...how do i find work.....how do i get clients to believe i can do the work....how or what can i do to make money....i have to support myself and my 2 girls....i get nothing from Ex spouse to live on.....i have skills from the homeschooling and educating back ground how do i put them to use in finding legitimate work.....i am 45 and scared and feel like a 17 year old starting out on her own.....i would appreciate any words of wisdom on this new journey in life for me......wanting to work from home mom.....

[lisamommy]

I can't relate to having 14 children, But I have to give you a hand, because I have a hard enough time with my 2 year old.

In the past I too did Mary Kay, and recently quit Melaleuca. But I have stayed with Network Marketing, because that is the way to go if you really want to have financial freedom in your future, at least for me. I recently joined an MLM called Shaklee, they have been around for 51 years and have wonderful non-toxic products. I don't sell the products, but others can go to my website and buy them directly through my store. I also make a commission from business builders that learn how to do the business. I think we have 4 different ways to make money. I like our system we have in place, because we actually have a lead sharing program that brings us interested clients, all we have to do is call them and give them an access code. They go watch our video where our company was featured on Oprah, and listen to a recording on how we do it, then they can make there own decision and call us up with questions or if there ready. I like it because it's not high pressured and I don't feel like I am having to convince anyone.

You could try looking up that company you were talking about on Ripoffreport.com
I wish I would have listened to my intuition when I saw tons of complaints about Melaleuca. I really like that site, also look them up on the Better business bureau, and just type there name under google and see what comes up.

Good Luck
I wish you well

Lisa M.
www.SwitchYourStore.com
www.GoGreenAndProfit.com
www.MaxGreenOnline.com/work-with-lisa.html

[sahmkate]

The method at Bum Marketing Method (http://www.bummarketingmethod.com) has helped me in article marketing and driving free traffic to sites. It's easy to understand and all the info is free. Good luck!

Kate

[Audrey]

Kate,

I'll tell you what I found very interesting. I clicked on the site in your post. Not once does the author of this great product identify himself/herself.

While the words I hate spam and won't sell your name are on the page, I have zero guarantee of that because I have no idea whose site that is.

So...if you'd like to share some of what you learned, that would be great. I just refuse to leave even a junk email address on that site.

[Audrey]

And who ever owns that site does not want to be found out. They paid money to register the domain by proxy. They do not want us to know who they are.

Kate...I truly appreciate you wanting to share information here...that's what this forum is for, but this is a great opportunity to share with others a time when giving out your email address could potentially be costly.

[sahmkate]

No, I completely understand. I made up a different account just for that reason. But I haven't been spammed yet. Granted you do get emails regarding the free traffic tips, but that's how he gets the info to you - through email. Kinda of like a course. If I can find the thread explaining it better, I'll post it:)

[sahmkate]

Found the post!
http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/ftopic25410.html&highlight=

[MomtoHanna]

Hey everyone,
Great discussion. I think the one thing we forget a lot is that we are selling OURSELVES.

It has been my experience that people don't really buy products/opportunities, they buy YOU and who you are.

I used to be with said Wellness company. I hated calling on the phone, but one day I got ahold of someone who was so much like me, we got to talking and she joined because of me, not necessarily the opportunity.

We are still great friends, even though we are neither one with the company any more.

So remember, it's you that people are buying, not necessarily your product or service, so just be yourself. You will be a great match to some and not so much to others, so just look for those who are like you. :)

Good Luck,
Jackie Lee :)

[mamaof2byz]

Hey becky, I am from ark too! what do you do and where are you at? I am in hot springs!

[strawberrykiwi]

Hi..I like your question regarding being nervous. One of the things that really helped me with that is the fact that I have been in customer service for more than 8 years and one of the things I learnt about talking to strangers over the phone is that nothing is really personal because they can't see you and don't know you and excellent customer service is all they really care about.

[honey415]

I used to sell newspapers and let me tell you I got my share of hang ups, hell I even got called names that I won't repeat here.

The key is to first introduce yourself & almost make friends with the person. Also know the product you are selling. If you have a script that you read from, make it your own.

If the person you are selling to seems to hesitate when you begin you speech, continue. If they tell you right from the start that they are not interested, thank them for their time, hang up and move on to your next call. Do NOT push them to buy something.

You will eventually start to feel more comfortable and you will get the sales. You just have to put yourself in their shoes. If you really don't want to buy something & someone pushes you, how does that make you feel? You get mad & nasty, right? Hope this helps you.

Good Luck :)

[pretty posh]

yes, there's never a need to be nervous over the phone, even if they hang up on you it wasn't you that was rejected just a person they didn't even know or give a chance. to overcome it practice yur speech in the mirror, listen to your voice and feel confident BEFORE you place the call, then when people are mean you can continue feeling good and having a great day!

[kyrash]

At this time i am about to make a major decision to start a business of my own and would like some suggestions. Though i have something in mind but i want peoples opinion first. Thanks

[pretty posh]

what is your idea??

[lisamommy]

At this time i am about to make a major decision to start a business of my own and would like some suggestions. Though i have something in mind but i want peoples opinion first. Thanks


Here is my advice from a Stay at home mom that is in her second home business in the my 2nd year:
Make sure your company is reputable and has a good tract record. Find out how long they have been in business and ask around either offline or online.

Google the company, see what others are saying. One website I like to look at is www.Ripoffreport.com , you can see what others are complaining about if any on the company. The better business bureau can show how long they have been in business and how many complaints they have and how many they have resolved.

If it is a Multi-Level Marketing Company (MLM or Network marketing), ask the person that will enroll you, what support and training you will get from them. But not only that ask them how you will get business. There are so many people that join an MLM and then they get stuck. They don't know how to get business , they get rejected, and end up quiting. Ask if you will have to make a list of friends and family and any one you have ever know if your whole life and approach them with the business, If you do , I would steer clear, you want to keep your friends and family and your pride.

Ask them what kind of system they use to produce business. Do they have a website that shows the prospect the company you will represent. You don't want to send someone to a website that doesn't show the company. Will they show you how to do online marketing, search engines, classifieds. DO they have specific training on all these areas.

What kind of rules and policies does the company have. Can you advertise the company you represent. Can customers shop freely or do they have a monthly requirement. What is your monthly requirement.

Is the company's product(s) something you could believe in. Are they consumable ( products a customer will need to buy over and over, a necessity)?

If you need more I could probably go on.

[mupegasus]

What a goog topic! I read through post by post!
Thanks

[nuwave06]

Here are some additional tips I'd like to share on finding the right opportunity:

- Set your financial goals -- Are you just looking for extra income or a potential full-time income? How long (and hard) are you willing to work to meet your goal?

- Determine if you are looking for a JOB or a BUSINESS -- there is a distinct difference between the two and you want to focus your energies appropriately for the best results.

- If looking for a JOB, what are your marketable skills and previous experiences? If you are looking for a BUSINESS, go with your passions, things that interest and motivate you the most. Build a list and use that to begin your search. General rule of thumb: Never pay for a job (businesses, on the other hand, usually involve some expenses).

- Review your budget -- know ahead of time what you are willing and able to invest into your business, including start-up costs and ongoing maintenance and promotion.

- Find a rep to contact, check out their websites, ask questions, do your own independent research. Check resources such as www.bbb.org, www.scam.com, and www.ripoffreport.com for potential scams.

[arlenemh]

This is a VERY interesting topic! I have read through all the posts and there is much good advice here. I have tried several network marketing companies and also have gone the route of marketing products I believe in on my own website. Both have advantages and challenges. This is what I have personally learned.

As far as having your own site and/or e-commerce store - you have ultimate control and choice of how you do your business. However, you are usually out there on your own, and any advice you get you usually have to pay for - and some of the advice is just not helpful! Also, I have found that you can pay a small fortune setting up your business and trying to market it.

When you join an MLM (network marketing), you usually do not have to pay out a lot to start it. You also have a network of support, but it is not a guarantee that the (free) advice you get is good or will work. If you do decide to go this route, make sure that the people you are joining have succeeded and are not just telling you things because they heard it from their upline.

I was very cautious when I joined the business I am now working with. The manner in which I am being taught to market really suits me - I don't have to beg, cold-call, or pester the people I know to join me. When I do talk to people it is because they have contacted ME (!) and have asked for more information. What a refreshing change! My mentor is absolutely wonderful and has spent endless hours with me teaching and supporting me, even sharing leads because I am new and she wants to help me succeed.

Most of my contacts have come through the internet from my own website that people have found and have filled in the information box to request more information. So most of my time is spent attracting traffic to my site, calling and emailing people who have asked me to, bringing them to a webcast where someone else (who is very good at presenting the business!) explains what it is all about, and then training new people who want to build a business too. It's really great for me and for many others whose experiences have led them to be in the "NFL club" (No Friends Left !). ;)

I believe that we all have had past experiences which, at the time may have felt like mistakes, but which have led us to where we are today. For me, they have all been great learning experiences and I have grown because of them.

[whiteazalea]

I just love this post...
lots of useful advice. Since I have been involved with internet business 1 year ago, until now the income is not satisfied or meet my target. But I learned something why my hard work not paid off. So to all new working from home mum who want to start internet business, learn from my mistakes here...

1) I was too overwhelmed with lots of information on net and download everything (free gifts) that looks interesting. Information overload really make me stuck and my computer (and brain) jammed because of crowded information.

2) Previously, i just like to re-invent the wheel. If the guru say ABC, I tried to do some other way to make it work my way. At last, its not working and I waste lots of time...

3) Did not focus on one business model...keep changing or mixing more than two business model make me losing focus.

So, now with new determination and time schedule, I have proper plan how to achieve my dream. I focus on the schedule and even other ideas comes to me, I just write it down and will only touch it after I complete my current mission.

[Audrey]

You raise some excellent points in your post. There is so much information out there. I tend to find one or two experts per topic and stick with them. Otherwise you end up with conflicting information.

[SaMutHerr]

Oh Yes, I got a question. I just started working from home and it requires talkin to people over the phone. How is the world do you get over being nervous? I don't know why I am. Guess it is because I feel if I say the wrong thing to them they will hang up on me. LOL!!! Have had that to happen a couple of time. I've been told to find my Comfort Zone. Haven't really found that yet but I am getting excited like when I talk. For instance Hey this is Becky, is so and so available. Then when they ask ? I just get nevous. Any ideas?
Thanks Becky

Hi Becky,

I have felt the exact same way many times. I agree with Audrey, that the nervousness eases with practice.

I also found that another tension-breaker is to call and explain your business to prospective people. The prospective people are the ones that will be excited to hear your biz opp. and will most likely not give you the cold shoulder over the phone.

When I get feedback from prospective and charismatic people I feel positive and confident to explain my business to them.

Also, if you happen to stumble over the phone a couple times at first, don't beat yourself up over it. That's where the practice that Audrey mentioned comes in.

Take Care,
Sa Mut Herr

[Andrew M]

Being nervous on the phone is normal but you have to practice over and over to get good at something. Always have a script in front of you and make sure you ask specific questions. You should always be in control of conversations with prospects. If it feels awkward at first that is okay because over time you will make it your own and it will be natural the way you present your business.
Prequalify people (don't pitch them). You pick who you want to work with because it's your business and you're in control.

I hope some of these points help....:D

Andrew Murphy

[BigMoneyJoe]

I learned in phone sales to do a couple of things. One, have a mirror in front of me while on the phone. I want to be smiling or at least have a pleasant face while I'm talking. People can tell if your are smiling over the phone. They can sense it in your voice. Also "stand up" while your on the phone. Don't sit until you have the persons attention. You'll know if they are listening when they begin asking relevant questions.

Also, most people don't want to be "sold" anything. They want to buy from you. But only if they trust you. How can they trust you? By developing a relationship. It's very important for you to get to know your customers so they feel more comfortable taking your call.


These are two points I follow to religoiusly. I've never actually read about it until now in a Forum so this is great.

Smiling and standing while talking on the phone works wonderfully. I guess I've been doing it unconsciously for sometime now and didn't realize it was something I was doing right. I just knew that when I was standing up, preferably moving, smiling and making hand gestures on the phone, people opened up to me.

It's hard not to have self-confidence in yourself and your presentation when you do this. I learned this through various combinations of positive and negetive reactions from people. You all are getting it handed to you on a "forum" platter.

Good stuff!

[Alan]

That is great advice, Joe.

I might also add to control your breathing (breath, using your stomach); inflexion, tone, pitch, and volume can help the recipient connect with you as a human versus another 'sales rep' within the first 3-5 seconds.

[BigMoneyJoe]

Alan, it's great to hear from you!

i typically meditate before I go into my day, especially before I know I have to make a few calls to several people. I speak louder than usual to convey my confidence over the phone too.

If you have anything else to share about conversating over the phones please share. In fact, if you had any video/audio examples, that would be helpful.

It 's pretty difficult to demonstrate techniques like this over text. Which is why i was impressed with how you explained. I just didn't know how to put how I speak to people in words, it's something where you have to really "see" it to get it and apply it more often.

I will search on youtube to find something practical here for anyone who are in "serious" business to use. I could use the extra training myself :)

[Alan]

Alan, it's great to hear from you!

You, as well, Joe; exceptional forum to learn and grow.

i typically meditate before I go into my day, especially before I know I have to make a few calls to several people. I speak louder than usual to convey my confidence over the phone too.

I must assume these are warm 'suspects' versus cold-call 'prospects'. Meditation, bible reading, prayer, being still to empty yesterday's 'trash' until all is silent (e.g., Quaker method), etc. are helpful to anyone using the phone as a tool.

This type of excercising of the body, soul, and mind allows all 3 to come into union, assisting an individual to 'get-outside-of-themselves', per se, and expressing the 'Golden Rule' in/through their communique' via phone (or any other form of communication, for that matter); it brings conceptual selling to it's most beautiful art form: allowing the client to make an informed decision.

As an example. I used to market Herbalife years ago and did quite well when I grasped conceptual selling in it's proactive stance. It was all about finding out what they wanted and providing them what they needed. No pushing, just open-ended (close-ended was only used during wrap up/closing-cash, credit, or check? fruit, vanilla, chocolate?, etc.) inquiries because in reality, I was 'feeling them out' or 'interviewing' them as well. If I did not sense my servicing to be beneficial, I would begin taking the benefits away, one-by-one. In sales I believe they call this 'suicide'. However, I call it professional, courteous, and beneficial...it kept me humble and focused on the clients needs versus my wallet. Funny thing, I received more referrals than imagined; trust, respect, and straight-shooting were words I heard from those referrals. Didn't cost me anything but my own time. Now, the upline or whatever they call themselves really pushed me to build my organization, but after hours of gruelling work and interviews, I found but one that complimented my 'true outlook' towards customers. Unfortunately, the husband/wife team were a little shy, thus, I politely told them that unless they were 100% forcused to move forward, it would benefit all to disengage since without a solid agreement between them (much like marriage), it would not be wise to go forward...I cared more about their relation than the dollar gained. Again, more referrals on the retail backend.

If you have anything else to share about conversating over the phones please share. In fact, if you had any video/audio examples, that would be helpful.

No videos, just years (and daily) experience.

Yes...Be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become agitated. People pick these subtilities up very quickly. Remember that words combined with voice is something deeper than confidence...It is literally your heart reflecting towards another...They are listening with the heart to your heart...:)

Another area I would like to touch on is (as a customer, myself), 'Get to know me, first...Don't expect me (the customer) to slide into the back seat of your car on the first date (sorry about the metaphor, but it tends to drive the point home) unless I am already back there (and these types you would be best to cut loose in the first place; anyone willing to just go for whatever comes there way is 'generally' a trap set for your downfall...consider what I just said and it will make sense to you).

It 's pretty difficult to demonstrate techniques like this over text. Which is why i was impressed with how you explained. I just didn't know how to put how I speak to people in words, it's something where you have to really "see" it to get it and apply it more often.

Joe, you have a gift...just look at my response to your inquiries, subtle and not. You are 'human' and speak from the heart (I can read you loud and clear from your writings...again, that is a gift, Joe); that's what I want to hear. You have a gift to open the heart and allow me to feel comfortable, get excited, and look forward that next cup of coffee or donut while listening too you, and, most importantly, no sense of obligation whatsoever.

Stay human, Joe :)


I will search on youtube to find something practical here for anyone who are in "serious" business to use. I could use the extra training myself

Check out the young lady's SBI site who helps people with recipes...She is very down-to-earth and can provide you much sharpening with her mentoring by Ken...Used to own one (SBI) and received, learned, and applied more knowledge towards customers by the exceptional knowledge of a 'master' communicator.

Good practical training begins with ourselves, Joe. You are doing it all the time. Learn to take some time out and observe others who make a living selling face-to-face and listen with your ears/heart; take note of the body reactions (they are also doing this over the phone)...Phone selling is not for all; it takes continual sharpening, focus, and (greatest one) intent listening abilities. But anyone that can move people to close on the phone (in my own opinion) has exceptional listening/communication skills and gets my applause!

[Audrey]

Alan,

I didn't know you used to sell Herbalife. Do you still use the products?

[Alan]

I sold Herbalife for a little while and used the products (believe they used to call it the 'C' program).

I don't use the products anymore...it's been quite a few years.

[SGoodknight]

I am with that Wellness Co. that we are not suppose to actually advertise their name until we make initial contact with them. So I have sort of cut all ties with my team. I did not like the way they were training us to approach friends, family, and every single person that comes within 2 feet of you. Not everyone wants to be in this business and I don't think we should have to bug everyone that doesn't ask. Buying leads and cold calling is another task that seemed unethical and most were not truly serious on the other end. So I still love the wellness company and their products and would like to continue helping others work at home and become customers.
The problem is now that I am not getting support from my mentor, or working with the team anymore, I am pretty much on my own. I need advice on how to become a mentor and train others a better way. How can I help others succeed in this business honestly and not feel like they are doing unethical things.

Boy does this bring back memories! When I first joined the company that I'm still with (will NEVER leave) I thought that I would have the support. But, 2 weeks after joining I called my sponsor to ask for some help and she told me she didn't have time to train me! OUCH! So, fortunately our team has a training website that I jumped on and I basically taught myself. Then I did eventually find out I could contact others in my upline and found GREAT support there.

With not having the help of your upline and you wanting to continue doing what you are doing then I really encourage you to read some personal developement books. A great one is "The Success Principles" by Jack Canfield. Another is "Devoloping the Leader within You" by John C. Maxwell. There are many Personal Developement sites to go to as well.

Do you hold a team meeting for your team? I have a weekly team meeting, we have training calls that go on daily and then I also have a team recognition site to give kuddos!

If you really want this business to work out for you then you will need to jump in there and become the leader you and your team needs.

[MichaelseBiz]

Hi Becky,

I have to admit that I was nervous about calling strangers on the phone when I first started my home business but I'm sure it was for a different reason than you had...

You see, when I was in my car accident in 1994, I had my throat cut and that made it very difficult for me to speak clearly to anyone. I'm sure you can imagine how hard it was for me to call people and not be hung up on...

Although, the home business I've just recently started is great because I don't have to talk to anyone on my computer... lol

Well, I just hope you've been able to get over your hurdles and I wish you the best with whatever it is you're doing...!

[MaryAnn]

<<How can I help others succeed in this business honestly and not feel like they are doing unethical things.>>

I know what company you are referring to and I genuinely hope that you figure it out and you become a role model for others in the same company.

The current marketing methods the different teams use are horrendous!! I really, really, really hope you come up with a model that totally blows their socks off so they stop the methods they now use.

I suggest you look at the methods that consultants in other companies that also do not let you use their name in advertising, use (did that sentence make sense???? LOL)

I don't believe that Mary Kay, Arbonne or PartyLite allow the use of their names by their consultants/distributors.

[MichaelseBiz]

I know that the company I'm with now didn't let their distributors use the company name online at all but now that Shaklee has a new owner, things are much better for all of us...!

[rvbtopteam]

Thanks. I don't do any selling
Why are you talking about selling? We are marketers and we have to look for the people who have a need, want or desire for what we have to offer. That's not selling, marketing is a lot easier...

[rvbtopteam]

Hi, most people have a fear of prospecting over the phone. You don't have at this point not the skillset of prospecting. Learn to prospect one on one on a cold targeted lead by looking for a training organisation who can teach you. And I'm not talking about the mentoring program that is done by the company. There are so many people who had/have that fear including myself. Now I am fine with it and I even enjoy talking to complete strangers who have a need, want or desire for what I market.

[MaryAnn]

Why are you talking about selling? We are marketers and we have to look for the people who have a need, want or desire for what we have to offer. That's not selling, marketing is a lot easier...

I do not want to start a philosophical discussion here on the difference between marketing and selling. Mary Kay, Avon and Tupperware all "market" their products and opportunity to join as well as sell products.

I know that Melaluca (I'm not afraid to name names here) seems to have a paranoid aversion to call what they do "selling." Yes, as distributors you do not sell the individual products to individual people. However, you do have to "sell" people on the distribution system and the "opportunity" to join Mela and make money. You DO make money somehow, right? Then something must be sold - either a service, a product or the opportunity to be involved in a distribution/auto ship program and the ability to make money doing it.

[MichaelseBiz]

Yes Mary Ann, you're right...!

All network marketers as well as distributors for any company are doing just that - no less than 'selling' that company's products, services or opportunity...

So yes, most of those people are just selling their wares but we have to keep in mind that not everyone is out to make a quick buck...

Take me for example:

I'm a grown man who, as a 17 year old boy was in a near death auto accident and none of my doctors expected me to live past the first day, let alone recover as well as I have...

I have to give credit to God first because He really is an incredible Guy...!

Next, I would credit both of my parents for being so diligent with fighting the medical field to allow them to give me the Shaklee supplements and other products that were directly responsible for my incredible recovery...

So therefore and the reason I use myself as an example here is because I want people to know that I have found the best of both worlds - a way to become very successful in my own life and a way to help other people become successful in their lives as well, both monetarily and with their health status...

:walk: Yes, I know. I'm just cool like that...!

But really & on the serious tip, I don't mind when people try to sell me something because I have enough intelligence to carefully weigh the options by looking into whatever it is this person is offering and then deciding for myself whether I want to invest any of my hard-earned money or not...

I think I know more than anyone how much incredible hype is out there for most companies and their products but I like to believe I can see past all of that junk...

I just know & believe that I've found something with Shaklee that is real - not all hyped up and I also know & believe that anyone else would feel the same if only they took a few minutes of their time to actually look into the company, their beliefs as well as their track record...

:hello: Good luck and I hope you have a good day...!

[cherie27]

I have been in business for about a year.

There are ups and downs.
I believe i will succeed one day.